Is Being Eaved and Being Born Again the Same

03-13-2010, 03:15 PM

Different words are used for these 2 things nonetheless I come across that people tend to recollect that they are the same thing - I would have thought that if they were the same thing just 1 word would have been used to draw information technology.

How I call up of information technology is that existence saved is saved from wrath and judgment - nosotros are chosen to believe and repent and exist saved.

When it talks about being born again - it is specifically of the spirit and the inability of being able to sin (even so nosotros know that while we are in the flesh we will sin) it is part of being man.

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye accept purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned honey of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure centre fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Beingness born again, non of corruptible seed, just of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 3:x In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

03-13-2010, 03:twoscore PM

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Originally Posted by ForHimByHim View Post

I must be born once more of the water and of the Spirit in order to be saved. Of the h2o is all the spiritual benifits of h2o baptism in Jesus Christ proper name. Built-in of the Spirit is the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.

Mayhap scripture to back upwardly what you say - where is the scripture that says exist born again and you will exist saved? Scriptures seem to say believe and be saved - not be built-in again and exist saved -----

and yes, I practise know that being born over again is by the Holy Spirit.

03-13-2010, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by meerkat2 View Post

Different words are used for these two things nonetheless I see that people tend to think that they are the same thing - I would accept idea that if they were the same thing only one word would have been used to describe it.

How I think of it is that being saved is saved from wrath and judgment - we are chosen to believe and repent and be saved.

When it talks nearly being built-in once again - it is specifically of the spirit and the inability of being able to sin (nonetheless we know that while nosotros are in the flesh we will sin) it is function of being homo.

1Pe 1:22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned honey of the brethren, run across that ye dearest one another with a pure heart fervently:
1Pe 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

1Jn iii:ix Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, considering he is born of God.
1Jn 3:ten In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his blood brother.

Regeneration = beingness born once more = existence saved. Different words to depict the same thing.

Regeneration is a theological term for 'being built-in again' which ways you are saved or no longer under eternal condemnation. Beingness saved or born again means the believer is now a role of the royal family unit of God.

John iii:7 ''Do non marvel that I said to you,

'You must be born again'. (Jesus witnessing to the unsaved Nicodemus.)

Acts 16:31 'And they said, ''Believe in the Lord Jesus,

and you volition be saved...'

Believers sin. A believer cannot sin while filled with the Spirit. But when he gives in to temptation he comes under the control of his sin nature and he sins. He remains in the condition Quo of carnality until he names the sin to God as per 1 John 1:9. That's why the believer is commanded to exist filled with the Spirit. Eph. v:18.

The laic is either under the control of the indwelling Holy Spirit or under the control of his sin nature. That is why the laic is commanded to non quench or grieve the Holy Spirit. i Thessalonians 5:nineteen; Ephesians 4:thirty.

03-thirteen-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by meerkat2 View Post

Perchance scripture to back upwardly what you say - where is the scripture that says be born again and y'all volition be saved? Scriptures seem to say believe and exist saved - not be born over again and be saved -----

and yes, I practise know that beingness built-in over again is by the Holy Spirit.

The give-and-take "saved" IMO carries a lot of meaning and is ofttimes not like shooting fish in a barrel to ascertain past using ane issue. Here are a few terms that collectively refer to our salvation, or existence saved, but each term being a distinct element of being saved:

Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to get conformed to the image of His Son, that He might exist the beginning-born among many brethren;
Rom 8:30 and whom He predestined, these He besides called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

All of these terms are intertwined with the give-and-take conservancy, just we perceive those events happening at specific moments in time. Some events happen from eternity past, other elements such every bit our justification occurred at the cantankerous, some parts of our salvation occur at regeneration (the new birth) that we participate in past faith of the Spirit, some during our sanctification in the Lord, and nonetheless more at the last resurrection. Conservancy (it's meaning) is circuitous when one considers all it's aspects that will, in the end, accommodate united states of america to the image of Christ.

03-13-2010, 04:37 PM

Interestingly, the term "saved" is used of

believers

in three dissimilar ways, or tenses:

In the past tense:

2Ti 1:9 who has saved united states, and called the states with a holy calling, non according to our works, but according to His own

In the present tense:

1Co 1:18 For the word of the cross is to those who are perishing foolishness, but to u.s. who are being saved it is the ability of God.

And in the time to come tense:

Rom 5:x For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

03-13-2010, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike555 View Post

Regeneration = being born again = being saved. Unlike words to draw the same thing.

Regeneration is a theological term for 'being born once more' which means you are saved or no longer under eternal condemnation. Beingness saved or built-in again means the believer is now a part of the royal family of God.

John iii:seven ''Do not marvel that I said to you,

'You must be built-in once again'. (Jesus witnessing to the unsaved Nicodemus.)

Acts 16:31 'And they said, ''Believe in the Lord Jesus,

and you volition exist saved...'

Believers sin. A believer cannot sin while filled with the Spirit. But when he gives in to temptation he comes under the control of his sin nature and he sins. He remains in the status Quo of libidinousness until he names the sin to God equally per 1 John 1:9. That'southward why the laic is allowable to be filled with the Spirit. Eph. 5:18.

The laic is either nether the control of the indwelling Holy Spirit or under the control of his sin nature. That is why the believer is commanded to not quench or grieve the Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 5:19; Ephesians 4:xxx.

So and so would yous consider "eternal life" to hateful regeneration?

03-thirteen-2010, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AlabamaStorm View Post

The word "saved" IMO carries a lot of meaning and is often not easy to define past using 1 event. Hither are a few terms that collectively refer to our salvation, or being saved, but each term being a distinct element of being saved:

Rom 8:29 For whom He foreknew, He as well predestined to go conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the first-born amongst many brethren;
Rom 8:xxx and whom He predestined, these He besides called; and whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

All of these terms are intertwined with the word salvation, just we perceive those events happening at specific moments in time. Some events happen from eternity past, other elements such as our justification occurred at the cross, some parts of our conservancy occur at regeneration (the new birth) that we participate in by faith of the Spirit, some during our sanctification in the Lord, and still more than at the final resurrection. Salvation (it's meaning) is complex when one considers all it's aspects that volition, in the cease, conform united states to the image of Christ.

Do you lot think that the rebirth is the procedure then and not just a 1 time issue? And can the rebirth mean a rebirth of humanity or is it an private thing?

I believe that none of these things can come up almost until ane has a circumcised heart... which God alone can do...

I think some people have the cart earlier the horse and and then believe that information technology is themselves that initiate the re-birthing process when the scripture is articulate it is God who initiates the process. That is why it is interesting for some to totally cake out that if God wants to sculpt you anew (considering he is the potter and you lot are the clay) then he tin exercise then at anytime he chooses, whether after death or before, or possibly information technology is as another affiche said that DEATH itself is the re-sculpting (cutting abroad the bad and leaving the good), then that you can dice to the flesh or you can die in the flesh.

Anyway, Good mail service 'bamastorm

03-thirteen-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by katjonjj View Post

Do you think that the rebirth is the process then and not just a one time event? And can the rebirth mean a rebirth of humanity or is it an individual affair?

I believe that none of these things tin come about until 1 has a circumcised heart... which God alone can do...

I think some people have the cart earlier the equus caballus and so believe that it is themselves that initiate the re-birthing process when the scripture is articulate information technology is God who initiates the process. That is why it is interesting for some to totally block out that if God wants to sculpt you afresh (considering he is the potter and you are the clay) and then he tin do so at anytime he chooses, whether after expiry or before, or perhaps information technology is as another poster said that DEATH itself is the re-sculpting (cut away the bad and leaving the practiced), so that you lot tin can die to the flesh or yous can die in the flesh.

Anyway, Good mail 'bamastorm

I think our hearts being circumcised, or our rebirth of the Spirit, is a one fourth dimension event for each person, but like yous say, it only comes about past God's will and on His time schedule. When that event takes place we're able to receive the things of God and feel the fruits of the Spirit in our daily lives. Those blessings and fruits of the Spirit sculpt united states into the image of Christ. I suppose collectively (an interesting point you bring upwardly) information technology may as well mean a rebirth of humanity when God is all in all.

1Co 15:28 and when the all things may exist subjected to him, then the Son also himself shall be subject to Him, who did subject area to him the all things, that God may be the all in all.

Bruce Kated1967

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